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Itanimulli Is Illuminati spelled backwards. So, Now what?

I Always Get A Kick Out Of This One. Yup. It’s true. ITANIMULLI is ILLUMINATI spelled backwards. But does that really mean anything? Well, as it turns out, it seems that it does to some, especially in some one-world government conspiracy theorists’ minds.

First of all: Let me be clear. Do I believe in a grand “conspiracy?” You can bet your life I do.

Look. I get it. A handful of evil-minded men plotting and scheming the fates of 7 billion-plus people in the world. Do I believe that? Yes. I do.

I really do. My thoughts about it are a little more nuanced than you might want them to be. But I believe it absolutely.

But my thoughts here, my good bible-believing friends, are to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, so we can zero in on what is significant and what is important regarding this stuff.

So, back to the whole “Itanimulli-Illuminati” issue.

Itanimulli Illuminati – For Any Good Conspiracy Theorist

Some people believe it is part of the grand conspiracy theory. Kind of like hiding in plain sight. Letting you know with code that the NSA is part of a grand demonic conspiracy.

Now, the trick about this one is that, like a lot of other stuff from the “backmasking” crowd, their reasons for thinking so are not without some merit; at least not when you first take a look at a shocking fact that is circulating in videos on Facebook that are getting shared and posted and reshared and reposted, like this one. The fact is that when you type “itanimulli” into google and search it, the top hit on the web site is a link to “the National Security Agency – NSA/CSS.”

(Go ahead. We will wait while you try it. We know you want to…..)

Got it? Ok. Good. You’re with us so far.

So now, as the theory goes (and we’ve been aware of several videos that have gotten a LOT of traction on Facebook, such as this one) that this is a big clue that the NSA is part of the one-world government conspiracy. It’s like they put it right out there for ya, waiting for you to make the link in your brain, or to keep you guessing. Or to laugh at you because you’re too stupid to take it seriously.

Now, if you have that google page open, you can look just down the page and see a whole bunch of links that debunk the whole conspiracy theory stuff with an explanation of the link and why it takes you to the NSA web site and the like.

But instead of taking our word for it, try it yourself instead. Go to Google and type in, “how to find out who owns a domain name.” Domain owners can choose to make their information private. But the owner of “itanimulli.com” has not chosen to do so.

So how do you find out who the owner of this name is? We came up with this info, at the following link  – http://www.netim.com/domain-name/whois-search.html

Anyway, if you go to the page on GoDaddy and do a search on the domain name (it is registered with them) and follow the pages enough with a search, and go through the stuff on the pages that checks to see that you’re not a bot, it will give you a whole bunch of info about the guy.

Basically, John Fenley is still the registered user of the domain name. He lives in Provo, Utah.

According to Snopes.com, Fenley registered this domain name as a joke. Fenley says, “I decided to forward the domain Itanimulli.com domain to the NSA as a joke … kind of like a rickroll + shock site. I registered the website years ago precisely because it does spell Illuminati backwards, but didn’t really do anything with it for a long time. When I had the idea to forward the domain to the NSA I couldn’t pass it up, and couldn’t stop laughing.” (By the way, snopes.com seems to be a useful second opinion on a lot of stuff. But like everyone else, don’t count on everything there. You know how it goes.)

Do we believe in the Illuminatti? We certainly lean that way. And we are working on getting to all of the stuff – the Bilderburgs, the Federal Reserve, George Soros and the like, and how those in the know and in the money there are tied philosophically to these types of ideas of domination and control of our society. Do we believe there are plans by people high up the food chain who have intentions of implementing a one-world government? Absolutely. We’ve uncovered a LOT of stuff and are working to put it up here, though decently and in order without a lot of falling into holes that lead nowhere except to stupid.

Fenley doesn’t believe it, at least according to the article about him on snopes, And the thing is, when skeptics do this, and people who believe in this stuff jump on these videos, and post and re-post them on Facebook for all our friends to see, we become a laughing stock.

Do we believe there are sinister forces at work behind the formation of many of the government bureaus? We do, at least indirectly. Dark, sinister, demonic forces? In a word, we’ll just say “let’s see where this all goes.” You can fill in the rest. In our opinion, in the end, it’s the only way it all fits together into a unified world view.

But we’ve seen some ridiculous things out there too, and it seemed time for a blog against some really whacko stuff out there.

Don’t get us wrong. It wouldn’t come as a surprise if some of these things are driven by evil-minded people with sinister motives. But it seems prudent, when confronted by some of the things you see out there, to do a little research. And it also seems that, when confronted with something that looks sinister or evil or one-world-government-ish or the like, to see if there is a normal and rational explanation for what is going on.

Otherwise, we lend credibility to the theory that we are a bunch of crackpots.

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Flat Earthers Must Be Afraid To Fly

(Last updated by The Cognitive Man 2020-01-08)

Ok. Maybe flat-earthers aren’t afraid to fly. But they sure seem “comforted” by the notion that there are no direct flights in the Southern Hemisphere.

Now, I don’t think they are actually afraid of planes, or flying in general. But I think flat-earthers are afraid of what the implications are if they ever actually acknowledge that these non-stop flights in the southern hemisphere actually take to the air and land, and actually do so in the amounts of time they say they do.

Because if they do (as I’m willing to bet my life they do) then their whole flat-earth model goes out the window.

NO DIRECT FLIGHTS IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE: WHY THAT IS SO TROUBLING.

I do think there is a very real “fear factor” for the flat-earther if it turns out we are just floating on a big ball, after all. In fact, I’ve written about this aspect of their thinking before. Perhaps the title of the other article is a little harsh; but it goes beyond normal when these people, at best, do not want to answer any of the questions I ask them when we have a chance to interact; and, at worst, accuse me of being antichrist.

I BELIEVE IN A GOOD CONSPIRACY, TOO.

Firs of all, my “flat-earth believing friend,” I’m on your side. I really, really am. I honestly think it is likely that I believe in a lot of the conspiracies you do. Let’s run a list here, just to give you a better feel that I’m not a liberal and I’m not the enemy here.

  • One-world government? Check. I believe “they” have been working on it for a while, and it’s only a matter of time, I expect. But they don’t always get what they want.
  • 9/11 an inside job? Not sure. Some pretty convincing evidence out there. By the Illuminati? Freemasons? Don’t know. But I’m open to suggestions.
  • Crop circles? I know there are a lot of fakes out there. But they can’t all be fakes.
  • Aliens? Of course. Too much evidence to deny it. But I’m inclined to believe a lot of them aren’t “extra-terrestrial” but “extra-dimensional” (read that “demonic manifestation”).
  • Are “they” hiding things from you? Hell, yeah. Let me give you a few examples: Hebrew inscriptions on the cave walls where the Indians lived in the Grand Canyon?
  • 12 to 16 foot skeletons found and scooped up by the Smithsonian, never to be displayed again? Hell, yeah. Sign me up. LOTS of credible, intelligent people with too much evidence to deny it.

Do you see where I am going with this? My point is that I hear you when you cry “foul” about much of what is presented to you as “science” and “fact.” I really, really feel you.

BUT YOU  HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO QUIT

I’m sure things are never quite the way they seem. And I’m willing to bet that there is a lot that the government is keeping from us; a lot about which they are trying to distract us. The “powers that be” want to stay in power, and so I’m willing to bet that many of them conspire to keep things out of the media, force things into the educational agenda and the like. But every conspiracy theory has its limits before it simply falls down.

Like this notion that flat-earthers have about non-stop flights in the Southern Hemisphere.

YES, VIRGINIA. THERE ARE NON-STOP FLIGHTS IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE

Well, there are, depending on who you ask. But if you ask anyone who says, “of course there are non-stop flights in the Southern Hemisphere,” the flat-earthers will tell you they don’t know what they’re talking about. Just ask them.

You see, if you think about it, if the earth is really a ball (and the flat-earthers are quick to point out that the bible describes it as flat – like the U. N. map shows it) then  non-stop flights in the Southern Hemisphere – say, from Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile, for instance, would quickly prove the point. Because, as you can imagine, if the earth were flat, then at an air speed of say, 600 MPH, it would take you about about 25 hours, give or take, to fly from Sydney to Santiago. So if the airlines could pull it off, they’d have to fly about 2,500 MPH to do that. And we all know airplanes don’t fly that fast.

So for flat-earther, the case is proven.

They claim the reason there are no non-stop flights in the Southern Hemisphere must be because it is impossible to do it.

Now anybody else would just go to Google and look for “Non-Stop Flights In The Southern Hemisphere” and quickly discover that the first items to come up are all the commercial listings – airlines and such, listing options to try to quickly sell you tickets to fly in the southern hemisphere.

BUT….. the flat-earthers would quickly say, “they’re not real.”

The knee-jerk reaction from the flat-earth crowd is that they’re staged: these flights don’t exist. The authorities are in on it.

Look. I get it. With all the other stuff they’re hiding from us, why not this, too?

By flat-earth theory, the government, in an effort to keep the word from getting out, has commandeered the airline industry and forced them to list flights on their websites that do not really exist, to give the appearance that they actually run these flights.

There is a problem with the level of human and government control and “conspiratorial machinery” that is required to keep all this going.

This would require such a vast array of so many sections of the population to keep this conspiratorial train running that after a while, the wheels all come off.

I’m not the only one who thinks this notion is paranoia on steroids. Check out this video, for instance:

I wonder if it ever occurred to these people how much more difficult it would be to keep every airline pilot, every ship’s captain, every employee at every company who builds this navigation equipment dumb and/or silent about this great conspiracy.

You have to realize that a conspiracy this big would have to keep a lot of people silenced, or dumbed down, or paid off or something. There’s no accounting for how far a predisposition to want to believe something will take you.

How open are you really to the idea that if this theory is true, it requires some real scrutiny of the facts and not just an excitement from the adrenaline rush of thinking you’re part of the “small, in-the-know” crowd?

I’m sorry to have to say it, but my experience interacting with many who hold to these theories is that they often seem a little short on in-depth knowledge of the sciences. That isn’t a put-down. But it is a fact.

THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY IS RICH WITH THEORIES OFF THE CUFF

I found this, one of the most amusing conversations on the topic, at One of the less-conditioned in their midst, at the Flat Earth Society website. They have a forum, and one of the issues that came up on this forum was a conversation by one of the fairly recently-initiated with some of the more “enlightened” members of the group.

To my fellow flat earthers, we might have a problem:

Flat-Earther questioning non-stop flight from QuantasI found this problematic flight for our theory, in that from Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile) this direct flight only takes 12 hours and 30 minutes, which seems in line with the spherical earth theory.

Please help me out, because I can’t find an explanation for this, although I am still convinced of the earth being flat. The curvature formula vs. the photos and videos proves to me that the earth is flat, but this flight (the only one in contrast with our theory) poses a problem that we need to solve.

This, too, seems to confirm that the flight takes as much time as it can only take with a spherical earth:

I mean, we do have a problem. The amount of shills on this forum seemed to confirm to me the flat earth, but now I realize that they may all be people who love science and enjoy arguing. Or people who like ganging up on minorities. But… we do have a problem.

The curvature formula (when compared to existing pictures and videos) still proves flat earth, but we definitely need to debunk this flight. 

And if we cannot debunk this flight, and these flights do exist and they go as fast as they claim, flying over the path they claim, then we need to revise our official flat earth map:

Now, this fellow is downright concerned about this, and I can see with good reason. Like most flat-earthers, they were raised with a concept of a spherical planet. When they first come into this “new knowledge” of the earth being flat, and the corresponding notion that the powers that be are lying to them about it, it opens a whole new world of espionage with a corresponding bit of intrigue and inside knowledge which often makes them feel more “enlightened” and, I believe, (sometimes) just a wee bit smugly superior to all of the rest of us dopes that still believe what has been taught to us in school.

But this fellow got the kind of response to his honest inquiry that I often get when I try to help these people see that maybe they’re missing something.

Listen to these responses:

First, this one, from a humble flat-earther:

Acenci, the problem is that we don’t know what the real map looks like. Consequently, we can’t estimate any distances within the FE model. This doesn’t mean that the Earth is not flat though. The RE map is also wrong, and it is blatantly clear in its most common flat version which is based on a projection. On a globe allegedly everything matches with reality, but who exactly uses globes for navigation. What I am saying is that it is all relative, and it is true that the FE’ers don’t have a very solid argument as to how exactly it all works and there are many holes in the theory. However, because we don’t know how exactly it works and what it looks like doesn’t mean the Earth is a sphere or spins. Of course, that is debatable, and if you haven’t been to space you can’t personally be 100% sure, I guess.

But that does not seem to be an adequate explanation for our humble inquirer. He publishes a bunch of corraborative data, including various videos of the flights in question, newspaper posts about people getting sick on these 13 hour flights (which seems to support the idea that it really is a non-stop flight on a planet that has to be a ball for it to happen on schedule) and pushes the point with his fellow believers:

Flat-earthers, this flight seems to exist and so our mainstream flat-earth map must be wrong. Let us quickly address this problem and find a solution. Please someone answer me. This is not acceptable. And the famous UN map, which supposedly represents the real flat earth map, must be wrong, too.

Now, if the flight exists, and if it does fly at the regular cruising speed, then how does this fit into the [flat earth] map?

I acknowledge a real sincerity here.

It seems like an honest question, and he seems to have a need for honest information.

And there is no end to the ad-hoc speculations about how everyone plays to the conspiracy. Like this gem: a well-meaning flat earther who decides to offer the explanation that planes will maybe actually be able to fly much faster than they let on, even if the flight is real:

…in addition, pilots will want money too. we aren’t told the full capabilities of their planes, and they adapt the speed they fly at accordingly. if they’re so reliable, why would there be any delays or early arrivals? simply, they make human error in how much they accelerate.

You know – as if these puppies maybe actually CAN fly at about 2,000 MPH when they have to put on the glitz to pretend the earth is round, but they usually just fly about 1/3 of full speed just to keep it hidden so the secret doesn’t get out. Can’t blame a guy for trying.

You have to ask, though: what would be the motivation here? What about the business interests that would be served if you could fly anywhere at 2,500 MPH?

Maybe I digress too fast. But it is something to think about.

Anyway, back to the flat-earth website. Not everyone was so civil to this well-meaning inquirer. Like this (understandably, I think) frustrated flat-earth doubter:

So now pilots are in on the conspiracy, who isn’t in on it at this point?  And if you are fed up with airline delays, why don’t you start an FE airline, always on time because FE pilots ‘think for themselves’.  Oh, wait, there is not a single FE pilot in the world.

Personally, I can’t blame him for being frustrated.

BUT SEE WHAT A GOOD FLAT-EARTH THEOLOGIAN CAN DO

Here is a case where the true colors of some of these people come out. Their belief is held with religious zeal. And when someone pushes the questions, there is always the trick (ironically, usually employed by the liberals) to attack the messenger with the honest question.

I don’t think you were ever an flat earther.  You tried to get some chops as an FEer, and are now slowly loosing all your own arguments.  It is a pretty obvious RE attempt to subvert from the inside.  Nice try, but I don’t approve, it muddies the water.

Wow. That was harsh. And knee-jerk. The poor guy is just asking honest questions. He is going through the experience of a little bit of cognitive dissonance. But he gets jumped on because he is rocking the boat.

A worthwhile here for my flat-earth friends (and, actually, for everybody else, even including me) is this: if I ask a question for which you don’t have an answer, please don’t have the audacity to automatically assume that I’M THE ONE who is unteachable.

I’m just asking questions maybe you should have been asking, too. If you can swallow your pride, you MIGHT even realize I just did both of us a favor. But your honesty might require you to have to accept you need yet another change in world view. Don’t shoot the messenger.

MAYBE FLAT-EARTHERS ARE JUST AFRAID TO FLY.

Ok. I’m kidding.

And I won’t deny that it’s HARD to find non-stop flights in the Southern Hemisphere. I have to admit that, compared to the vast number of flights in the Northern Hemisphere, there aren’t that many direct flights between continents in the Southern Hemisphere.

But the flat-earthers seem to not want to be able to find any non-stop flights anywhere between Africa, South America and Australia.

But they exist. There are answers for the problem they seem to find. Things like airline profitability and “supply and demand.”

The trouble is, the flat-earthers don’t seem to want to hear them. And when you suggest real and reasonable explanations for why they are wrong, you become the antichrist. I’ve had them swear at me and call me a fool. I even had one on FaceBook call me antichrist. How upsetting. I was crushed.     ;-))

If you truly believe the earth is flat, I appreciate your zeal in trying to prove it.

I admire the fact that you want to find a way to be able to accept the authority of scripture and not have it conflict with your world view. But you can’t bend truth to suit your preconceptions.

God’s word will never contradict the truth of His creation. But His word may very well contradict your concept of His creation if your concept of His creation is wrong.

The problem is that if you apply a literal requirement to some of the passages that were written as poetry, you end up with conflicts, too.

If you have to go here now, check out the problems that come up with inconsistency with your literal filter on scripture on passages that were meant to be taken seriously but NOT to be taken literally. (But if you can, please read that article after this one. I don’t want to lose you.)

First of all, though we may disagree for the moment on how to interpret these passages, can we at least agree on this?

Bending truth to suit your presuppositions is not thinking. It’s simply re-arranging your prejudices.

And it’s not helping your witness. It distracts from the major issues in this world about which all Christians agree: Jesus came into this world to save sinners.

You know, I’m on the PlaneFinder web site (the one referenced in the first video, above) as I write, watching a flight or two, tracking them as I sit here, seeing them fly on routes that would take much longer if the earth were flat than it does in reality (because it is spherical).

And while I do this, I’m struck both by the technology that we have in place to see all this stuff in real time and how small this world really is when you can traverse it so quickly, so easily. We can be halfway around in a day, in a different culture you’ve never seen before. It’s an amazing world. And it’s also a world full of people who don’t know Jesus.

Flat earthers, as I’ve said before and written about elsewhere before, I know your hearts are good. You appreciate the scriptures as God’s revelation to us. You want to maintain the integrity of that in people’s minds.

But you’re not helping your cause when you have your minds made up that everyone who thinks this world is spherical is out to get you, and you don’t have the humility to acknowledge how much you really don’t know. And you aren’t willing to exercise the patience to learn from those who have studied this for years, some of whom know and love the same saviour you do, and who know a whole bunch more that you need to know before you even begin to realize how much you don’t know what you are talking about.

Let’s stop worrying about something that wouldn’t make a wit of difference even if it were true. Because flat or round, this earth is covered with billions of people, many of whom will not be in eternity with their Creator when they leave it. And we need to worry about THAT.

(Last updated by The Cognitive Man 2020-01-08)
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Flat Earth Theory Is A Mental Disease

Ok. Maybe that’s a little harsh toward those out there who have actually bought into this idea that the earth is flat. But I have to confess: if you actually do buy into this idea that the earth is flat, know that I wrote the article partly with a motive: I was trying to get your attention. And if you’re one of them, please be patient while you see where I’m trying to go with this, while I talk to the rest of them out there who would just dismiss you as crazy.

Yes, Virginia. Some People DO Think This World Is Flat

It’s hard to believe for most, but there are a lot of people out there who believe the earth is flat. Not only are they out there, but from common observation and interaction with them, it seems they are growing in number. Take a look at the Flat Earth Society website, for instance, and see how much interaction there is on that page in the discussion forums.

They Are Among Us

For you speherical-earthers out there, be aware that I want to be charitable to flat-earthers as I write. You see, I can appreciate and respect that their motives are good. There is a common thread among most of them that holds a high view of the bible as the word of God. And I agree with them on that one. For whatever your view of the world and of history, I do believe the bible to be a book unique in history as a clear revelation from God. For the record, I will say that I believe in the God of the bible.

But one of the marks of teachability is admitting you don’t have answers for the questions that you are asked. And if people ask you questions and you don’t have answers, you need to at least acknowledge that maybe you don’t know enough to make a firm conclusion. And with regard to this flat-earth theory, the lack of understanding of basic math and physics in this community is below the level of a general grade 10 science class. As a result, their reasoning for believing what they do about the earth being flat is regrettable.

Flat-earthers seem to share a common thought pattern, and it ain’t pretty

There seems to be a common theme among those who hold to flat-earth theory. Because they believe the bible, they believe we must take the bible seriously (not an unreasonable position, in and of itself). That I wholeheartedly agree with. But where they seem to fall down (and, like Steve Urkle, they can’t get up again) is that they draw the unfortunate conclusion that to take the biblical descriptions of the earth seriously requires that they be taken literally. And a simple observation of things around us seems, at a casual glance, to support the idea that a literal approach to these biblical passages is appropriate.

For the flat-earthers, the bible says it, and so they believe it. That settles it. What they seem to miss (or perhaps, not want to deal with) is that they have a good handle on what the bible says; they might not have a good handle on what it means. As Bill Johnson has said before, God will never violate his word. But he is perfectly willing to violate your understanding of his word, if your understanding is wrong.

And I would contend that their understanding is simply wrong. After all, the science is settled, right? Isn’t it simply the right thing to simply accept these passages of the bible as poetic speech? If we do that, then these difficulties go away, no?

They think the science is “part of the conspiracy”

It’s true. They really have little regard for the scientific research and data that demonstrates the reality of a spherical earth. They’ve taken these passages of scripture and simply written off everything in the fields of physics and astronomy as part of a vast government conspiracy to keep us in the dark and to keep us from knowing the God of the Bible.

(If you’re curious, I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist myself. Just not on this one.)

But They Would Ask You A Few Questions, Too

In their defence, perhaps it’s a fair question to ask: can you accurately handle the word of God and simply write these passages of scripture all off as poetic speech? Is that fair to the original intent of the passages?

For those who laugh at these naive souls, let me ask you a few questions. For those familiar with the bible, you’ll know that there are numerous references in the scriptures to suggest a flat earth, suspended on pillars with a fixed dome forming the sky. You might think that is a ridiculous notion. But like I’ve said, so much of what we believe, we believe without having really thought it through, so much as we believe it because it’s what we’ve been taught. If we’ve never had reason to question it, we kind of go for a ride on what we are taught, when what we’ve been taught all along might well be wrong. After all, before Coprenicus and Galileo, people held a common belief the earth was flat. These guys had to challenge a system that wanted their heads for proposing theories that challenged biblical norms.

So, dear reader, let me ask you questions that they would ask. Could you prove from looking at the sun, moon and stars that the earth is moving around the sun, and not the other way around? Can you explain why you can’t see any curve to the earth? If the earth is round, can you explain why the water doesn’t run off the edges? You say it is because of gravity. Fair enough. But can you explain gravity? Many people have a rough idea. Most people accept it as fact, and accept the explanations as true without serious question.

Flat-Earthers Also Share A Common Emotion

In discussing these matters of the solar system, of galaxies, of gravity, of the bending of light and properties of light in the atmosphere, another common theme emerges. It is a common emotion. And that common emotion is paranoia. Flat-earthers do seem paranoid; or if paranoia may be a strong term, then at least it should be classified as a strong mistrust of science and the institutions behind it. They seem, for instance, to have a particular loathing for anything published as fact by NASA.

Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

When you point out that they don’t seem to have a reasonable grasp of the science behind the claims that the earth is spherical, some are quick to agree with you. It almost seems to be a badge of honour for some of them that they don’t have to know how the science works; since it contradicts the bible, it can simply be dismissed as part of the lie.

This audio clip from YouTube might be a good source of understanding of the mindset of the typical flat-earther:


Now, I’ve often said to people that just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you. But in the case of the flat-earthers , what really motivates them is this concern that the people behind the globe model are really out to get YOU. They are not really concerned for their own souls. They are confident that theirs are safely in the arms of Jesus. They have seen the enemy; they are aware of his devices; they are aware of a higher truth.

Their concern is that you, as a spherical-earther, are probably sucked in by the great deception: the deception that the earth is not really the center of the universe. To them, science is the great henchman of the devil, where the spherical earth, evolution and the great atheistic deception are all part of a grand chain of lies designed to drag people off to hell.

Can you see where they are coming from? They believe that the concept of the earth spinning as a ball in space, not unique, but one of possibly an innumerable number of potentially inhabited planets makes the earth not so special. They believe that it is part of a government plot to control the masses and to keep them in the dark about the existence of a God who will hold us accountable for all that we do in this lifetime.

Now, in fairness to the flat-earthers, I have to say that I hold a common belief with them: I hold to a view that in a very unique way, the earth really is the stage for the drama of the ages; that we hold a unique place in God’s design of the universe. I can’t prove it from the physics, though. I just can’t. But I can see it in the scriptures, and whether the earth is flat or spherical wouldn’t affect the reality of that one way or the other for me. But…

I don’t believe the earth is flat.

Everything I experience in this world tells me that it’s plausible the earth goes around the sun. It would not be my first conclusion looking at it; but when I hear the explanations for it, it is possible. Can I prove the earth goes around the sun? I believe it is provable by careful observation of the position of the sun, moon and stars. Can you prove the sun goes around the earth? I don’t think you can offer any proof of that in any meaningful way that would hold up under serious investigation.

But I DO see that the sun goes overhead during the day. It doesn’t circle around the face of a flat earth disc. This is where the flat-earthers TOTALLY lose credibility. They offer all KINDS of silly explanations as to how the sun circles overhead (rather than over and under) but every one of their explanations falls down. I’ve been on cruise ships, watched the sun rise and the sun set. It is a ball. It is the same size before it drops below the horizon line as  it is on the way down. When the cloud cover is heavy during the day but enough to let the sun shine through (barely) the sun is the same size in the sky at midday as it is at sunrise and sunset.

Every you-tube video that I’ve been advised to watch seems to start with a premise about what the spherical earth model teaches that is not what the spherical-earth model teaches; and then, they develop all kinds of ridiculous theories about why these models are wrong. But they haven’t got a clue what the spherical model really is. They attack straw men. And they lead many others into their confusion and resulting paranoia.

It’s Not About Science; It’s About Being “More Enlightened

Flat-earthers don’t have much regard for the sciences. As Eric Dubay says in the above video,

Our eyes and experience tell us the earth is flat and motionless. Everything in the sky revolves around us but when we ceased to believe her own eyes and experience we have to prostrate ourselves at the feet of these very pseudo-scientists who are blinding us, treat them as experts – astronomical priests who have special knowledge only they can access like the Hubble telescope. So by brainwashing us about something so gigantic and fundamental it actually makes every other kind of lesser indoctrination a piece of cake. The earth being the flat, fixed center of the universe around which everything in the heavens revolves gives the special importance and significance not only to earth but to us humans – the most intelligent among the intelligent designer’s designs. By turning the earth into a spinning ball thrown around the Sun and shot through infinite space from a godless big bang, they turned humanity into a random meaningless purposeless accident in a blind, dumb universe.

I get the desire to appreciate the uniqueness of the earth in the story of God’s creation and of the story of the ages. But I can’t park the brain God gave me at the gate to be able to accept their ridiculous explanations that the sun is not going below the horizon but is disappearing off into the distance.

You See, Things Are NOT Always What They Appear

Take a look at this YouTube video of optical illusions. As Eric Dubay would say, “Our eyes and experience tell us the earth is flat and motionless.” Yes. They do. But what about the things you see in this video? Things are not always as they appear.

Sorry, but it feels like spiritual pride

In my experience with people dealing with a combination of trust issues and a slight spiritual smugness about having a “higher revelation” than others, it is hard to get through to them. Most of them had accepted the spherical model, and now, because of “better” information, they believe they have arrived at a “higher” truth.

And, in the end, I think it is the smugness they often seem to portray that bothers me a bit. When you have a lack of teachability, a lack of scientific knowledge, a lack of mental stamina to track with explanations of what “is” by careful observation and combine it with a bit of paranoia and a false sense that you are somehow more “spiritual” than others because of a “higher regard” for scripture (where literalness is next to godliness) you have a recipe for a conversation that feels like it will never be settled.

Flat-earthers, I wish you well. I really do. But you have to realize that you destroy your credibility with the very people you purport to want to reach with the gospel of Jesus simply by not being willing to accept that your interpretation and application of scripture might be more appealing, but less accurate. The end result is a facade of spirituality that might, in the end, be nothing more than a spiritual pride.

(by The Cognitive Man. Last updated 2016-04-23)
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