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Gay Rights And Islam


I read an interesting blog a while back – it is was little blurb written by a conservative Christian blogger out of Australia by the name of David Frangiosa. I’d not read a lot of his posts, and I discovered recently that his blog is no longer available.

One of his blogs was entitled, “Islam And Socialisms Big Push To Rid The World Of Christians And Jews.” I’ve recreated David’s post here, a piece at a time, with some thoughts about his thoughts:

As western nations trade-in whatever is left of Christian spiritual values and morality in favour of “progressive” atheist reasoning, those who form the new majority are not nearly as tolerant as those before. Strangely enough these atheists and socialists make an exception to defend and even go out of their way to praise islam. 

I’ve often found this curious dance between the gay rights activists and their attitudes towards Islam. There are lives being threatened over the refusal to make wedding cakes that celebrate “gay marriages” and over the refusal to take photographs at “gay weddings.” (I put those in quotes, as I hold to a biblical world view, and as such, I find the concept of a “gay wedding” to be oxymoronic. You can challenge me on that if you wish; but it’s probably better to take that up in a different blog. And no, I’m not calling gays morons. If that’s what you think the word means, get yourself an “edumacation” and look it up.)

But it is curious to me how much many in the gay rights movement seem to go out of their way to defend Islam as a religion of peace – even in the face of ever-mounting evidence that Islam, in its strongest sense, has even less tolerance for the gay lifestyle than evangelical Christianity does. In countries where Christianity has influence, homosexul activity is declared as a sin. In countries where Islam dominates, gays are thrown from the roofs of buildings. David Frangiosa seems to think he sees the reason why this is such a phenomenon:

The reasoning is frightening but quit clear. The socialists and progressives despise Christianity and Judaism so much that they have now sided with rapists, murders and fanatics for a big push to rid the world of those of any moral decency.

It is a curious thing that people in the gay rights movement would find alliances with people from a religious perspective that has, at the core of its deeply held convictions, a tenant of its faith that homosexual acts are an abomination to Allah. I agree with Mr. Frangiosa that they do despise Christianity very much. They don’t despise the socialist, squishy Christianity that says “do not judge” when (and only when) it’s convenient to your point to do so, but the Christianity that says we must call sin “sin,” even if it means saying hard things in true Christian love, and denying ourselves what we want for the sake of obeying our lord and savior Jesus Christ.

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But I don’t think any in the gay rights movement in the west really believe they are siding with rapist, murderers and fanatics. I just don’t think they are willing to let themselves believe the truth of that situation. In Romans 1, the apostle Paul speaks of those who know the truth and reject it; and after they do, God gives them over to a reprobate mind – which is a mind that is no longer capable of discerning right from wrong.

When you feel you’re oppressed – particularly if you’re feeling “oppresssed” because you are not allowed to have the license to do whatever you want, you will side with others who also feel oppressed. Human nature being what it is, we are often quick to take up other people’s offences for them, because it reinforces our feelings about our own situation. Even more so do we look for others to help us feel good from the outside when we have that gnawing conscience on the inside telling us that what we are doing is somehow wrong, but we want to do it anyway.

And the liberal mind is prone to rationalizing all the reasons why wrong is right so it doesn’t have to change it’s resulting behaviors that spring from what it wants to believe. And so, I believe those in the gay rights movement are all too willing to rationalize that Islam truly IS a “religion of peace,” based on what they see in North America, anyway. (Many in western Europe are waking up quickly, but almost too late, to what Islam unleashed can look like in a democratic society not prepared for the wolf who shows up in sheep’s clothing). In a nutshell, they ignore the Mack truck heading for them down the road because they have a predisposition to want to embrace Muslims as a misunderstood “minority,” so they can lock arm in arm with others who have a grievance against Christianity, that has the gonads to tell them how they must live, and they way they are living now isn’t it.

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I wasn’t sure, at first, if I could sign on to David’s conclusion in his piece, though. His take on this:

It is quite symbolic when gay socialists for example are marching in favour of allowing more muslims into their country demonstrating that they would prefer to be eventually tied-up and thrown off of buildings in the name of an islamic state than live peacefully in a Christian-Judeo society.

As far as the symbolism that gay people would “prefer to be eventually tied-up and thrown off of buildings in the name of an Islamic state than live peacefully in a Christian-Judeo society,” I have to say that I just don’t think they’d buy that if it was presented to them that way.

But I don’t think they’d buy that, only because I don’t think they’ve thought it through to that point.

But then again, he might be on to something here. I’ve had numerous occasions now where I’ve had opportunity to debate atheists in a discussion group on the web site, “unbelievable” – a discussion forum for a Christian radio show out of England. And so many of these atheists, now, when I’ve pushed them to have to deal with the question of the lordship of Jesus, have flat out told me that:

  • they don’t believe in the God of the bible;
  • they despise the concept of the God of the bible;
  • that, if push came to shove, and it turned out that the God of the bible is real, that they’d sooner spend an eternity in hell rather than bowing down in eternity to worship a God who “demands” worship as a means to salvation.
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In the bible, Revelation 16:7-8 says,

“Yes, Lord God the Almighty,
true and just are your judgments!”

The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory.

I guess, that being said, maybe David Frangiosa is right, after all. My hat is off to you, David. You might have skipped a cog or two in the wheels to get to your conclusion. But in the end, I guess I’d have to agree with you. The symbolism, as such, is both ironic and stark. It just took me a while to catch up to you.

So, David, how about you and I (and everybody else we can get to do so) get on our knees more often and intercede for these people to seek God while he may be found? We will know our hearts are right toward them, if they do repent, because when they hit their knees, seeking His face, we will have already been there on ours, waiting for them to show up.

(Last updated 2016-07-09 by The Cognitive Man)

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